Comments for Kata Rogeron http://curate.wordpress.com It means "according to Roger", not katie rogeron. Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:10:11 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Where is the true church? by Carla http://curate.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/where-is-the-true-church/#comment-4116 Carla Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:10:11 +0000 http://curate.wordpress.com/?p=219#comment-4116 Here is a short and to the point statement (out of a good deal of many) from the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification... 15... Together we confess: By grace alone, in faith in Christ's saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works.[11] Here is a short and to the point statement (out of a good deal of many) from the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification…

15… Together we confess: By grace alone, in faith in Christ’s saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works.[11]

]]> Comment on Where is the true church? by Carla http://curate.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/where-is-the-true-church/#comment-4108 Carla Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:32:10 +0000 http://curate.wordpress.com/?p=219#comment-4108 Curate, "They do not teach or believe that justification is by grace alone through faith alone" They, and Rome, believe in "justification by grace alone through faith." Your contention is not with them but James who says, "You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone" James 2: 24 Curate, “They do not teach or believe that justification is by grace alone through faith alone”

They, and Rome, believe in
“justification by grace alone through faith.”

Your contention is not with them but James who says,

“You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone” James 2: 24

]]> Comment on Did Rome give Protestants the Bible? by Carla http://curate.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/did-rome-give-protestants-the-bible/#comment-4106 Carla Tue, 17 Nov 2009 05:04:59 +0000 http://curate.wordpress.com/?p=198#comment-4106 Both Eastern and eventually Western Rites (pre-Reformation)... and only as an after thought did the Protestants begin to preserve their own through Tyndale, Coverdale, Beza and the like. Actually, I have a good deal of problems with various things in the article, but this is by far the biggest. Especially since it seems to be the initial subject. Both Eastern and eventually Western Rites (pre-Reformation)… and only as an after thought did the Protestants begin to preserve their own through Tyndale, Coverdale, Beza and the like.

Actually, I have a good deal of problems with various things in the article, but this is by far the biggest. Especially since it seems to be the initial subject.

]]> Comment on Did Rome give Protestants the Bible? by curate http://curate.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/did-rome-give-protestants-the-bible/#comment-4076 curate Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:33:16 +0000 http://curate.wordpress.com/?p=198#comment-4076 Carla, is there something in the article that you think is factually incorrect? Who do you think preserved the Byzantine Text? Carla, is there something in the article that you think is factually incorrect? Who do you think preserved the Byzantine Text?

]]> Comment on Did Rome give Protestants the Bible? by Carla http://curate.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/did-rome-give-protestants-the-bible/#comment-4074 Carla Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:30:25 +0000 http://curate.wordpress.com/?p=198#comment-4074 I assume you are talking to me, even though my post is gone? My post was actually more to the point than whoever it was that typed up this entry. I said something to the effect of them preserving the manuscripts, to which you should be thankful to God that he used them to do so or you'd have nothing. And I see you conveniently left out Erasmus yet entered other slightly twisted detail. And who did he dedicate his TR too? The Pope. I assume you are talking to me, even though my post is gone? My post was actually more to the point than whoever it was that typed up this entry. I said something to the effect of them preserving the manuscripts, to which you should be thankful to God that he used them to do so or you’d have nothing. And I see you conveniently left out Erasmus yet entered other slightly twisted detail. And who did he dedicate his TR too? The Pope.

]]> Comment on Did Rome give Protestants the Bible? by curate http://curate.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/did-rome-give-protestants-the-bible/#comment-4063 curate Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:22:36 +0000 http://curate.wordpress.com/?p=198#comment-4063 A classic non-sequitur. Was there a real point you wanted to make? A classic non-sequitur. Was there a real point you wanted to make?

]]> Comment on Did Rome give Protestants the Bible? by Carla http://curate.wordpress.com/2009/04/29/did-rome-give-protestants-the-bible/#comment-4059 Carla Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:57:07 +0000 http://curate.wordpress.com/?p=198#comment-4059 they were so mean because they preserved the Byzantine Text Type? How ridiculous they were so mean because they preserved the Byzantine Text Type? How ridiculous

]]> Comment on Where is the true church? by curate http://curate.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/where-is-the-true-church/#comment-3635 curate Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:28:26 +0000 http://curate.wordpress.com/?p=219#comment-3635 David, you have not addressed the argument in the post, or the scripture that I quoted. To merely say that the Orthodox church has clergy, therefore it has the gospel, is not an argument. It is a non-sequitur. David, you have not addressed the argument in the post, or the scripture that I quoted. To merely say that the Orthodox church has clergy, therefore it has the gospel, is not an argument. It is a non-sequitur.

]]> Comment on Where is the true church? by curate http://curate.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/where-is-the-true-church/#comment-3634 curate Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:18:30 +0000 http://curate.wordpress.com/?p=219#comment-3634 In the Bible an episkopos and a prebuteros are the same thing - the minister in charge of a congregation. Those are the bishops whom God entrusted the gospel to. When the episkopoi lose touch with the gospel they cease to be transmitters of the gospel. A layman with the gospel in that case is greater than the Pope, and the Patriarchs of the East. The Orthodox Church is not in possession of the gospel, so it is not a true church of Christ. As the article states, the churches of Antioch and Constantinople have erred in matters of faith and morals. They do not teach or believe that justification is by grace alone through faith alone. By this article they show that they do not have the keys to the kingdom. The separation of bishops from elders is a post-apostolic development, and to read it back into the scripture is pure anachronism. In the Bible an episkopos and a prebuteros are the same thing – the minister in charge of a congregation. Those are the bishops whom God entrusted the gospel to. When the episkopoi lose touch with the gospel they cease to be transmitters of the gospel. A layman with the gospel in that case is greater than the Pope, and the Patriarchs of the East.

The Orthodox Church is not in possession of the gospel, so it is not a true church of Christ. As the article states, the churches of Antioch and Constantinople have erred in matters of faith and morals. They do not teach or believe that justification is by grace alone through faith alone. By this article they show that they do not have the keys to the kingdom.

The separation of bishops from elders is a post-apostolic development, and to read it back into the scripture is pure anachronism.

]]> Comment on Where is the true church? by David L http://curate.wordpress.com/2009/08/23/where-is-the-true-church/#comment-3630 David L Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:36:23 +0000 http://curate.wordpress.com/?p=219#comment-3630 It was to the bishops that the faith was entrusted, the people being a royal priesthood also have their part in the maintaining that faith and gospel once and for all delivered. You will not find the church without the Gospel or the Gospel without the church. They are interdependent. Clearly history shows us orders within the church, clerics themselves have no special position other than servants of the servants of God. They can be correcred by the laity. It was to the bishops that the faith was entrusted, the people being a royal priesthood also have their part in the maintaining that faith and gospel once and for all delivered. You will not find the church without the Gospel or the Gospel without the church. They are interdependent. Clearly history shows us orders within the church, clerics themselves have no special position other than servants of the servants of God. They can be correcred by the laity.

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