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I am Roger du Barry, husband of Sylvia, and father to Rhys, Luke, James, and Carl. They are 14; 11; 8; and 2 respectively. I pastor a small church-plant in Farnham, Surrey, in Southern England, called the Farnham Reformed Church.
My preaching is primarily exegetical, with occassional topical sermons when necessary. Our worship is liturgical, using a modern English version of Cranmer’s amazing BCP, and some elements of a Lutheran liturgy, but we are Independent, not CofE. We use this particular liturgy because it is so Biblical and so well thought out.
We are Reformed in our faith. What that means for us is that we have moved away from some of the modern evangelical errors and back to the Reformation and the Bible on the sacraments, worship, and the church.
As we study the Bible from the perspectives of biblical theology and grammatical historical exegesis, God is constantly blessing us with the glories of his word.
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Mr. du Barry,
according to The Bible Jesus Christ gave His flock to Peter, bishop of Rome (John 21:15-17).
Thus, every sheep who is not obedient to the shepherd appointed by Jesus Christ is a lost sheep (Luke 15:3-7) and thus in danger of destruction (Matthew 18:14).
Thus, pope Boniface VIII was right.
However, pope is not God. There have been evil popes who ended up as Jesus Christ foretold in The Gospel (Matthew 24:45-51; Luke 12:42-46). And when they do something evil they can rightly be resisted without leaving The Catholic Church, as St. Paul did (Galatians 2:11-14).
Those evil popes only show the glory of God’s grace: not even evil popes can define any false dogma or condemn anything true or bind all faithful by anything against His Will because they are like Saul in such moments (1 Samuel 10:9-11). Peter’s faith cannot fail because Jesus’ prayer for it cannot fail (Luke 22:32).
And you should know that only popes and no one else in The Catholic Church has the gift of infallibility and that this gift they may or may not use.
Regarding justification visit Taylor Marshall’s blog soon.
Best wishes.
I agree that Peter must be submitted to. But here is the problem: when did the Pope become Peter?
“And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: … And behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.” (Matthew 28:18,20).
The Apostles have long been absent from this world while Jesus obviously cannot lie nor err.
Thus, according to The Bible, that is, Jesus Christ Himself the dead Apostles are alive through their successors.
Peter was the first bishop of Rome while all popes are also bishops of Rome and thus successors of Peter.
Thus, according to The Bible, that is, Jesus Christ Himself every pope is Peter and thus must be obeyed if one wants to be in Jesus’ flock, that is, to be saved.
Best wishes.
Hello again Adit. BTW what is your name?
Your reply does not answer the question of the Pope being Peter. Jesus said that he is with us always, he did not say that Peter is with us always.
It is my web name.
Yes, Curate, my reply does answer your first question.
What you wrote (that Jesus is with us always) is also true but that is another meaning of the text and thus in no way refutes the literal meaning which I mentioned (that the Apostles and thus Peter are also with us always, through their successors, because Jesus is with them (the Apostles) till the end of the world).
Best wishes.
There is an answer to your and others’ posts on St. Paul and works of The Law topic under Justification section of Taylor Marshall’s blog.
Best wishes.
P.S. If you cannot prove anything wrong in my previous posts above then you are proven wrong and defeated.
I see your meaning now. Jesus will be with the apostles until the end of the world, therefore the apostles will be with the rest of us until the end of the world too. But why stop with Peter? Where and who are the rest of the twelve?
According to The Bible (Galatians 2:9) The Apostles are pillars of The House of God, God’s Church (1 Timothy 3:15).
Without pillars every house must needs collapse.
Thus, since The House of God, Jesus’ Church is to last till the end of the world Its pillars (The Apostles) must also last till the end of the world.
There is no house which can be made of pillars only.
Thus, all believers are NOT pillars of Jesus’ Church but only some of them are pillars.
Thus, The Apostles and those of their successors who are pillars of God’s Church are not like the rest of believers: on them The House of God rests.
It means that, according to The Bible, other believers rest on one, substantially unchangeable and exclusively Apostles’ doctrine (Acts 2:42) and NOT on more doctrines (Galatians 1:6-9), on exclusively The Apostle’s authority (Matthew 28:19-20) and on exclusively The Apostle’s communion (Matthew 12:25) where St. Peter is above all the other Apostles (John 21:15-17).
Thus, those successors of The Apostles who are the pillars can only be those bishops whose origin can be traced to The Apostles (by seeing historical records) and who satisfy all of the three conditions mentioned above: they can only be the bishops who lead local churches of The Catholic Church.
Thus, whoever doesn’t obey (or is not ready to obey) any pope, successor of St. Peter and thus Peter and bishop of Rome, and thus is not in communion with him cannot be in communion with the rest of the pillars and thus cannot be a member of The House of God, The Catholic Church, cannot be justifed and cannot be saved.
Thus, it is not terrible that, if you cannot defeat this, you are merely wrong and defeated in this dispute but that that you are currently under condemnation as the follower of the father of all lies, the devil (John 8:44) and thus in danger of eternal suffering in Hell.
Best wishes.
Dear Adit, I am not in the least bit anxious about being defeated and proven wrong. I am not in a contest with you.
I agree with all that you have said about apostles being the pillars of the church. I insist upon it too. But you have not shown that the Pope is Peter. You have merely asserted it. Please prove to me that the Pope is Peter, and not just the bishop of Rome.
What about the other apostles? Who and where are their successors?
Since Apostle Peter, the pillar of The House of God (The Church of God) and the first bishop of Rome (the former according to The Bible – see previous posts – and the latter according to historical data) died and thus could not have continued in that role please explain to us all how could The House of God stand without Its by far most important pillar (Luke 22:31-32; John 21:15-17)?
Also, since all the pillars (The Apostles) died please explain to us all how could The House of God stand without all Its pillars?
Thus, it is obvious that the pillars must have continued in their existence and will continue till the end of the world.
Obviously pope cannot be Peter physically so that every pope be Simon Peter, having his body and his soul.
But pope is exactly the same as Peter in respect of Peter’s bishopric, infallible faith and leading position in The Catholic Church.
Thus, it is obvious that pope is Peter in that respect. And that respect is the only respect that matters.
Thus, this is the proof of pope being Peter (although it is also clear from the necessity of permanent existence of pillars among whom Peter is, according to The Bible – Luke 22:31-32, the only permanently infallible pillar).
Other of The Apostles were all infallible in faith because there was necessity of preaching The Gospel and establishment of local churches in distant parts of the world without telecommunications available.
But after establishment of connections between local churches of The Catholic Church there was no need that any other bishop except the successor of St. Peter be infallible: every normal body always has only one head.
Thus, except St. Peter and all his successors only the other of The Apostles including St. Paul were infallible in faith.
If you cannot understand these obvious explanations the problem is in you (regardless of the reason) and not in the explanations.
You can pray for grace, carefully re-read all these posts and ask others to help you if you still don’t understand them because you are unfortunately in a big and most dangerous trouble, whether you believe it or not.
There is of necessity a spiritual conflict between you and me because it has been obvious that you cling to errors, that I cling to the truth and errors are of necessity in conflict with the truth.
Best wishes.
I don’t need to explain anything at all. You are the one who says that the Pope is Peter, and it is you who must substantiate your argument.
You said: Thus, it is obvious that the pillars must have continued in their existence and will continue till the end of the world.
That may be obvious to you, but it is not obvious to anyone who is not a Roman. Indeed, it is a non sequitur. It is an assertion that is not argued, just a bald statement.
I believe that the pillars remain in every meaningful way through their writings, which are contained in the Bible.
On another subject, how do you defend the idolatry of bowing down to images and statues? You cannot. So repent of this sin against the ten commandments.
“… as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, has written to you: as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.”. (2 Peter 3:15-16)
Thus The Bible and The Holy Spirit condemn you because of your clinging to errors. Until you repent.
You have no right to interpret The Bible: according to The Bible, only The Catholic Church is the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15) due to the infallible pope’s (Peter’s) faith given to him by the infallible Jesus’ prayer (Luke 22:31-32).
Best wishes.
And, yes, I have merely transferred to you the doctrine of The Catholic Church which She has always taught on this subject (pope being Peter and the infallible head of Jesus’ only Church, The Catholic Church).
Thus, these interpretations above are interpretations of The Catholic Church and not mine.
You can check Catholic doctrine on this and all the other issues by yourself if you want.
Best wishes.
Hello.
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Nice forum!
Dear Re Adit,
St. Peter was indeed “The Rock”, but what does that have to do with Rome ? Peter was also the first Bishop of Antioch. What About Peter’s sucessors from the Church of Antioch ?
The Bible says that all of the Apostles were foundation rocks of the church. Ys, Peter was the leader of the Apostles but that is a far cry from the modern claims of Rome which are based on geography of where peter happen to have died. Reading the Early Church Fathers on this issues proves the modern claims of Rome to be greatly exaggerated.
The Roman Church has charged her doctrine on so many issues throughout the centuries. Yes, she is a great Church but she needs to return to her primative roots.
Rodd Umlauf (Artistree)
Hey Artistree
Welcome.
Hello Curate,
I come in peace and with a smile : )
Blessings of God’s Beauty to you and all who post on your site.
Artistree